So you can see that Prop 8 passed. For the second time the majority has voted to preserve the term "marriage" to mean a man and a women. Gays still have every legal right attached to their unions that traditional marriages do.. They are not being denied RIGHTS- just terminology. So because we were so organized, the Mormons, the churches, and the Temple are now targets. If the JEWS or Muslims were the target, can you even imagine what the reaction would be? Yet We are the ones filled with Hate. It is getting harder and harder to stick up for what you believe is right. Some of us are afraid to do what is right in fear that we will offend Satan.Thursday, November 6, 2008
Lines Being Drawn- Crossed if you ask me...
So you can see that Prop 8 passed. For the second time the majority has voted to preserve the term "marriage" to mean a man and a women. Gays still have every legal right attached to their unions that traditional marriages do.. They are not being denied RIGHTS- just terminology. So because we were so organized, the Mormons, the churches, and the Temple are now targets. If the JEWS or Muslims were the target, can you even imagine what the reaction would be? Yet We are the ones filled with Hate. It is getting harder and harder to stick up for what you believe is right. Some of us are afraid to do what is right in fear that we will offend Satan.
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I'm irritated that there are so many appeals or lawsuits going on.
The PEOPLE SPOKE, just like they did for the President (apparently).
I like that you are putting it out there.
So was it really Elders that did the break in, or was it staged?
Totally staged- they are not even wearing badges, and obviously not Mormon missionaries- who aren't even allowed to go into gay homes, I believe.. Not positive..
It is a sad thing. Unfortunately, name calling is not going to solve the problem either. I do agree with your opinions, except calling Steve Young a "pansy". I believe in standing up for what you believe in. It is difficult, but judging others and calling them names for their choices doesn't really help people's opinions of Mormons either. We, after all still have our free agency. Obviously his wife made a really stupid call based on personal emotions. There will be some major personal repercussions for her choices, no doubt. The people of California have spoken. But, unfortunately this is not over. It is a fight that will continue for many generations to come. As a member of the LDS faith, I can only fight for my family. Follow the council of my leaders. I don't find it necessary to bash others (especially members of my faith) for their choices and opinions that I don't know all the details surrounding the situation. I take everything I hear from the Media with a grain of salt. Should I speak out for my own opinions? You bet. Fight for the sanctity marriage? Absolutely. Teach my kids what I believe is right vs. wrong? Every. Single. Day.
But, the name calling has to stop. The "other side" isn't going to. So, it has to be us. If we judge, even our own members...doesn't it make us exactly what they are calling us? Bigots?
Kati, Where do you live?? This was a horrible, stressful experience for us Californians- Tons of persecution, violence, and namecalling- somtimes by friends. We fought a battle for our sacred rights, and it protected the rest of the nation for a while. So- maybe you should side with the right team= and give credit where it is due-
Yep Kati- Forgiveness is a great quality....
Good job Slymer, it was a very hard and emotional battle here in California. Utahans don't know what we really had to go through since most everyone there is MoMo and share the same views. You have to be a lot stronger to be a Mormon outside the walls of Utah!
Not at all making light of the situation. I personally am grateful to all "Californians" who stood up for what I believe is right. It is a fight we will all face. No matter our location. I give credit to anyone who can stand up for what they believe, when it is done in a admirable way. As far as forgiveness? I never said anything about forgiveness. I was strictly talking about name calling. I don't see that as an answer. I am guessing that was just a personal attack. Not surprising. It is very easy to pass judgement with one sided information. Just as you only had one side from the Steve Young situation. Even on your blog you called it "rumor", then continued with the bashing. Pretty sure that was not what the leaders of our church were going for.
I am very grateful for all the wonderful people of California for restoring a lot of faith in people and their beliefs. Hopefully we can continue to win this fight. Because, I am on the same "team".
Autumn, thank you for proving my point so beautifully.
Speaking of one sided information. Do you know that my brother is Gay and we had to talk about why my family voted YES on Prop 8 with him. We are all still speaking. I am terribly disappointed with Steve Young who is in a similar position but in the public eye. He has more reponsiblity and he whimped out. Pansy.
KATI-
I have no clue who you are and really don't know why your panties are in a wad!
I lived 4 years in Utah so I can make a pretty accurate opinion on how different living in CA as a Mormon is compared to Utah, that was my beautiful point!
As for Steve Young, when you are in a powerful or spotlight position you are held more accountable for your actions and your words because so many (especially our next generation) is looking up to you.
Just like the quote- "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility"
What do you mean a personal attack?And the "not surprising" part? I guess I didn't know your opinion of me was that low. Sorry about my sister and honorary sister, my family is very protective of me. Believe it or not I am considered the mellow one...
Erin and Autumn used to hang out with Steve, he dated their good friend....even more reason to be disappointed.
Never said I wasn't disappointed with Steve Young. Once again...totally on your side. If you re-read my comment, I think you will see that I was referring to the back and forth name calling (not just from your post) damaging. Once again...I don't disagree with your oppinions and I do thank you for fighting for what we both think is right. It is a very passionate topic for all people, no matter where they live. Emotions are running high. I am grateful for the outcome California was able to get. I hope we can all continue to fight for this, for our children's future. It is so important. You are completely entitled to your opinions...but with an public blog, when you put them out there, you can bet there will be people that don't agree. I just want people of our faith to look like the "bigger people". Name calling doesn't achieve that goal. That, is simply, my opinion.
Now...I really want to see some pictures of those beautiful babies of yours. I didn't see any pictures of them in their Halloween costumes?
1. Do you know who Kati is? Just curious... 2. I live in Utah (now) and I do have to agree- the church and it's members live a whole DIFFERENT LDS culture outside of the beehive state. While the beliefs may be the same, there are differences. But, that's not saying one is better - they are just drastically different. With regard to this issue, several of my Utah co-workers have been very involved and concerned and watched this whole thing closely. We've prayed for those in California and those who donated time and means to fight for traditional marriage.
We know we are not immune in our state - and it was reported on the news last night that a protest will take place at the Salt Lake temple today as well. I agree with several of the comments made here- primarily, that the people spoke - that is how democracy works in our country. And, I also believe as Slymer that the great divide is getting bigger. This was confirmed again as a robed priest was taking about all the hatred and bigotry (sp?) from Mormons on the news last night. Again- a ROBED PRIEST! It's important that we each plant our feet FIRMLY on the side that aligns us with what we know to be right. And that side is to preserve traditional marriage.
Once again, putting a" Yes on 8" sign in my yard alienated myself and my family from many of my friends and neighbors- who only think "anti-gay"-I love my gay brother and am glad he has found happiness- but I will not accept that life for my 3 innocent children- and refuse to make it the law. Teaching them morality is My Job- not the states. But it sucks to be yelled at because you are misunderstood. Some of my neighbors won't even wave at me anymore-because of a sign! Steve Young couldn't handle the pressure -as evident by his cowardly donation. It is just disappointing because of what the rest of the mormons had to endure- and he took the low road.
who is this kati person that i want to kiss right this minute?! and NO i am not gay and know how that sounds. lol.
The whole gay thing is a slippery slope and will only lead to greater problems.
Being Gay cannot be seen, tested or proven by any scientific means, as to date.
Therefore, what happens when the next person who wants to express themself or their sexuality is into S & M? or prostitution? how about child molestors? they all could use the same argument as the pinche fags.
I must say too that with my work I have had to deal with the protesters in HB and they are an unhappy, disagreeble bunch who are incapable of compromise and are full of hatred.
If they can throw a tantrum because they didnt get their way what will it show others.
Furthermore, to have voted no would have been unconstitutional. By this would be the restrictions placed on churches thereby not allowing them to practice their beliefs. This country was founded on this principle in their escape of the Church of England. Now they want to take one of our founding rights away. F-That and F-Them!!!
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